Marvin Shilmer

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  REFUSING a blood transfusion because of the fear of being shunned. Any experiences?

  by EdenOne in

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  i was wondering if someone here has a personal story, or witnessed one in first hand, when someone refused to take a blood transfusion and what role the threat of disfellowshipment and shunning played in it (versus a more genuine fear of displeasing jehovah).

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  if you do, i would like to know about it.. eden.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  You might also find the following information helpful:

  Coercion to Refuse Blood
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  Request for BOE Translation!

  by Atlantis in

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  if we could get this letter translated we would appreciate it.

  we will then send the translation back to barbara anderson.. .

  http://postimg.org/image/o1y62yr2b/.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Just another tool to improve cash flow. Nothing more, nothing less.
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  OK friends lets be honest, if a Nuclear Holocaust took place today how many of you would return to the KH?

  by James Mixon in

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  speaking for my self, no way in hell.. this question to see if you really have been deprogramed,.

  do you 100% believe it is not the truth.. a fourth of the world hit by a nuclear attack..

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  In response to a catastrophic event I'd go wherever my most loved ones were for my sake and theirs. If they happened to be in a KH it would not deter me for a second one way or another. I wouldn't be there for worship. I'd be there (wherever that is) for us.
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  REFUSING a blood transfusion because of the fear of being shunned. Any experiences?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was wondering if someone here has a personal story, or witnessed one in first hand, when someone refused to take a blood transfusion and what role the threat of disfellowshipment and shunning played in it (versus a more genuine fear of displeasing jehovah).

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  if you do, i would like to know about it.. eden.

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  Drs Guichon and Mitchell documented an instance of this in 2009. They put it this way:
  

  One survivor of postpartum haemorrhage without transfusion told us that her real choice was between the living death of losing her family and friends if she chose blood transfusion, or actual death caused by blood loss. The latter seemed preferable.

  
  References here
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  2015 November 19, BOE! Circuit Account Balances!

  by Atlantis in

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  2. bible

  delete if already posted.. .

  2015-november 19, boe.

  .. re: review of circuit account balances.

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  Wow. This is going to raise a few eyebrows!
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  CEDARS (Again) Is it really about religious beliefs?

  by Listener in

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  2. friends

  john cedars has posted his latest blog "the trouble with apostates (and why it shouldn't put you off becoming one)".

  i acknowledge that he is entitled to his opionin just as we are ours but i am disappointed in some of his comments.. at this stage i'll try to be objective about it.

  he is defending his own position after all.. what bothers me most is his comments about athiests and christians which he seems to identify as being in conflict with each other.

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  Started to shared something. Changed my mind. Some things are better kept to oneself.
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  New GB video: Why Reduce the Number of Special Full-Time Servants?

  by Gorbatchov in

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  2. friends

  watchtower released at tv.jw.org a new gb video with samuel f. herd, with the theme:.

  why reduce the number of special full-time servants?.

  it seems there is a reason to release this special message.. http://tv.jw.org/#en/video/vodstudio/pub-jwbrd_201511_4_video.

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  Why is he reading the whole thing?

  Why?

  My best guesses are, in order:

  1. He's lying, or

  2. He's embarrassed beyond capabilities
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  Peter Sutcliffe - I thought he was a JW now......?

  by punkofnice in

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  http://newsthump.com/2015/12/01/yorkshire-ripper-calls-for-syria-bombing-campaign-declared-perfectly-sane/.

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  That guy is an absolute monster.
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  New GB video: Why Reduce the Number of Special Full-Time Servants?

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  watchtower released at tv.jw.org a new gb video with samuel f. herd, with the theme:.

  why reduce the number of special full-time servants?.

  it seems there is a reason to release this special message.. http://tv.jw.org/#en/video/vodstudio/pub-jwbrd_201511_4_video.

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  This guy never looked the camera in the lens. Even at the end!

  My opinion:

  If you can't look me in the eye and say it, then it's probably a big fat lie.

  This guy could not even look at his audience during the perfunctory sign-off!!!
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  Watchtower's response to Royal Commission shows they have learned nothing and will do nothing

  by wannaexit in

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  i've quickly read through watchtower's submission to the royal commission.

  seems like they aren't planning to change policy anytime soon.

  they are critical of how the royal commission handled the situation.. the tone is of the submission is shear arrogance.

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  Even if they changed it to say that elders should inform the parents and/or victim of their right to report the abuse, that would have a HUGE impact. This would change many JWs attitude toward reporting the crime and of those who choose to report the crime.

  What you suggest is already Watchtower policy. But Watchtower needs to go further. Rather than merely pointing out that victims have a right to report the molestation, Watchtower needs to encourage victims to report the molestation. It might seem like semantics, but having this active encouragement would lend support to the victim, not to mention increasing the likelihood of protecting other children from abuse. In my opinion and experience this would, as you say, have a huge impact. I think this is probably what you meant to write.